After 9 years of booking/promoting shows and bands in/around Detroit, I'm finally taking my first "hiatus". What comes next after spending so much time in a "scene" that never really knew how to say thank you? The possibilities are endless. One thing that I plan on doing is making some short, silent films. Outside of that, I need to cool down from all of the stress and failure that came along with running a successful booking agency...
Silent Films Booking
the scene, from one perspective.
Tuesday, September 6, 2011
Tuesday, February 1, 2011
That awkwardness between out of town bands and Detroiters...
Have you ever noticed this awkward moment between out of town bands and people from Detroit? For example: when some hardcore bands play here and people don't move around at all, the band is confused. Big or small crowds, bands seem to be used to some sort of crowd participation. That doesn't always happen and I think this does more damage than anything else. Are we really that jaded here?
Saturday, December 25, 2010
A Love Note or Two....
Me...
September 27 at 3:49pm
Hey, what's up? Are you interested in playing a show on Saturday, Nov. 13th w/ Thieves (IL), and The Armed at Corktown Tavern? If so, get at me for details.
thieveshardcore.com
myspace.com/thearmed
thieveshardcore.com
myspace.com/thearmed
Guy...
September 27 at 8:02pm
working to much and still broke.. whats going on man, i haven't seen u in a min. how you doing? we actually are playing in Cleavland on the 13th. Them bands got that new hardcore style i like that, but do you think our bands would really go good together? you setting up shows now?
Me...September 28 at 12:12am
Yeah. Been setting up shows for a minute and would love to do something with The Ratfinks. It has been far too long. I hate booking the same 5 bands for the same genre and lately the bands I've been working with wanna "color just outside the lines", know what I mean?
Guy...
September 28 at 4:13pm
i hear you loud and clear on the same "type" shit for sure. we want to play corktown i hear nothing but good things about that place. i actually have a couple of bands that i want to bring up here (trading shows trying to get on the road). would you be down to help me set some shit up?
Me...
September 28at 5:09pm
it would be an honor to set up shows with you. keep me posted.
Guy...
November 18 at 4:44pm
hey shawn i want to set something up at the tavern on a sat in jan or feb with us the plain dealers from cleavland, udi, and buttlock (or whatever there bands name is now) i also want to set a show up with for this band money shot from indy.
Me...
November 19 at 8:43am
Sweet! I will email Holly.
Me...
November 23 at 1:27am
I got Saturday, Feb. 19th at Corktown Tavern. Ratfinks, UDI, Plaindealers, and Buttlock? Can you contact Plaindealers and Buttlock? I will hit up Mike Ratt.
Me...
December 2 at 3:59pm
Guy,
Hey, what's up? Holly confirmed Saturday, Feb. 19th...Are you still interested in putting together the show with you guys, UDI, Plaindealers (who are fucking sweet), and "Buttlock"? I would like to get on promoting this show asap.
I hope all is well you and the rest of The Ratfinks!
Cheers,
Shawn
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Guy:
December 4 at 4:41pm
hey man, my drummer fil went up to the tavern on wed to confirm the date and it was double booked luckly it was with scott aminos new band so he moved his date to the 3rd insted. but yeah thanks for talking to holly for us. mike is makeing a flyer the show right now, ill send it to you when its done.
the line up (from last to first) is the ratfinks / the plaindealers / udi / broken teeth.
Guy...
December 4 at 4:42pm
scotts show is on the 3rd- were still on the 19th i meant.
Me...
December 5 at 11:25am awesome! sounds good. i wanna get on promoting this show asap. thanks for getting the bands together and whatnot. my partner in crime, sara, and i are very excited about this show. .
Guy...
December 16 at 6:33pm
hey shawn i think were a little un-clear somewhere, i was asking you for some help hooking something up, not your booking group. we will be running the door and the show. and since fil confirmed the date (that was double booked) when he went to check it out.... you know what im saying, we basicly eneded up doing it our self's anyway.
sorry for the mix up. im still going to send you the flyer when its done an all that. thanks again tho.
Guy
Me...
December 16 at 6:53pm
Fair enough. Keep me posted.
Me...
December 19 at 4:07pm
Guy,
The message you sent Sara (my partner in Silent Films Booking) was, by all accounts, rude. Especially when she and I are only trying to help some bands we know and love. As your friend and a fan of Ratfinks, I have to say I'am disappointed in how you choose to speak to us. We mean the very best and want to see bands do well. If you don't want our help for this show, that's totally fine but the way you are going about dealing with this miscommunication is counter-productive to making this a successful show. We only wanted to help and what we got for the part we played was a 'fuck off' instead of a 'thank you'.
You asked Silent Films Booking for help on a date where you could bring The Plain Dealers back to Michigan. We did that and started promoting as soon as you told me the line-up. I am incredulous that an adult would choose to conduct themselves in that manner.
We all have the same goals.
Best,
Shawn
Guy...
December 25 at 1:02pm
hows this for rude..
FUCK OFF. you guys are a fucking joke.
you want credit for doing NOTHING, NOTHING. - i was told not to deal with you guys be quite a few people but i still gave you a chance now i see why people dont want to deal with you clowns.
FUCK YOU dont fucking talk to me/us again.
both of you can go fuck your selfs...
Guy
i hope that was rude enough for you Bitch.
Me...
December 25 at 5:36pm
i am sorry you feel this way. we are not clowns nor are we bitches.
goodluck in the future,
shawn
December 2 at 3:59pm
Guy,
Hey, what's up? Holly confirmed Saturday, Feb. 19th...Are you still interested in putting together the show with you guys, UDI, Plaindealers (who are fucking sweet), and "Buttlock"? I would like to get on promoting this show asap.
I hope all is well you and the rest of The Ratfinks!
Cheers,
Shawn
2486885803
Guy:
December 4 at 4:41pm
hey man, my drummer fil went up to the tavern on wed to confirm the date and it was double booked luckly it was with scott aminos new band so he moved his date to the 3rd insted. but yeah thanks for talking to holly for us. mike is makeing a flyer the show right now, ill send it to you when its done.
the line up (from last to first) is the ratfinks / the plaindealers / udi / broken teeth.
Guy...
December 4 at 4:42pm
scotts show is on the 3rd- were still on the 19th i meant.
Me...
December 5 at 11:25am awesome! sounds good. i wanna get on promoting this show asap. thanks for getting the bands together and whatnot. my partner in crime, sara, and i are very excited about this show. .
Guy...
December 16 at 6:33pm
hey shawn i think were a little un-clear somewhere, i was asking you for some help hooking something up, not your booking group. we will be running the door and the show. and since fil confirmed the date (that was double booked) when he went to check it out.... you know what im saying, we basicly eneded up doing it our self's anyway.
sorry for the mix up. im still going to send you the flyer when its done an all that. thanks again tho.
Guy
Me...
December 16 at 6:53pm
Fair enough. Keep me posted.
Me...
December 19 at 4:07pm
Guy,
The message you sent Sara (my partner in Silent Films Booking) was, by all accounts, rude. Especially when she and I are only trying to help some bands we know and love. As your friend and a fan of Ratfinks, I have to say I'am disappointed in how you choose to speak to us. We mean the very best and want to see bands do well. If you don't want our help for this show, that's totally fine but the way you are going about dealing with this miscommunication is counter-productive to making this a successful show. We only wanted to help and what we got for the part we played was a 'fuck off' instead of a 'thank you'.
You asked Silent Films Booking for help on a date where you could bring The Plain Dealers back to Michigan. We did that and started promoting as soon as you told me the line-up. I am incredulous that an adult would choose to conduct themselves in that manner.
We all have the same goals.
Best,
Shawn
Guy...
December 25 at 1:02pm
hows this for rude..
FUCK OFF. you guys are a fucking joke.
you want credit for doing NOTHING, NOTHING. - i was told not to deal with you guys be quite a few people but i still gave you a chance now i see why people dont want to deal with you clowns.
FUCK YOU dont fucking talk to me/us again.
both of you can go fuck your selfs...
Guy
i hope that was rude enough for you Bitch.
Me...
December 25 at 5:36pm
i am sorry you feel this way. we are not clowns nor are we bitches.
goodluck in the future,
shawn
Tuesday, December 21, 2010
It wasn't suppose to turn out like this
I wish I could explain the series of events that have led me to where I have found myself today. Friends have come and gone (much like the bands I've dealt with over the years). 9 years of guarantees (paid or not), fighting with people/friends about money, burned bridges, etc. When I first got started, the guy who taught me most of everything I know (Jason Lockwood) told me two things: 1. there are gonna be times when you are gonna have to do things that will make you lose sleep at night 2. this is about the bands and nothing else.
There have, in fact, been times where I have had to tell friends/bands that the money thing didn't work out. Some of these friends won't speak to me anymore, nor will any of those bands book shows through me. It's always rough but I've learned that there will be a 'tomorrow' and the reason why I choose to be a booking agent is far more important than hurt feelings or relationships. No, I don't have the best reputation with some people but what I do have is a reputation (for better or worse). What I have done is my small way of giving back to a community that has given so much to me.
It's not about making a name for myself or the booking company that I started on my own: it's about the bands who struggle to make things work. It's about respect and honesty. Honestly, I respect this craft. I respect anyone who does this and continues to do it long after it's "not cool anymore". If you can stick with it, you have much bigger fucking balls than anyone else on the block (or in the bar for that matter).
There have, in fact, been times where I have had to tell friends/bands that the money thing didn't work out. Some of these friends won't speak to me anymore, nor will any of those bands book shows through me. It's always rough but I've learned that there will be a 'tomorrow' and the reason why I choose to be a booking agent is far more important than hurt feelings or relationships. No, I don't have the best reputation with some people but what I do have is a reputation (for better or worse). What I have done is my small way of giving back to a community that has given so much to me.
It's not about making a name for myself or the booking company that I started on my own: it's about the bands who struggle to make things work. It's about respect and honesty. Honestly, I respect this craft. I respect anyone who does this and continues to do it long after it's "not cool anymore". If you can stick with it, you have much bigger fucking balls than anyone else on the block (or in the bar for that matter).
Sunday, December 19, 2010
while detroit might be a concrete jungle, not everyone can be king kong
Take a good look at your surroundings.
We are in a concrete jungle. This jungle has it's predators and prey (self-righteous, self-absorbed attention whores and scenesters.) While survival is key no matter what, these animals have forgotten the word 'respect'. This generation of jaguars, alligators, monkeys, guerrillas, and snakes has failed in evolving into something great (the true sign of a successful existence). These animals, who's sole concern is to take, know only that: desire supersedes all else. WRONG.
The truly frustrating people is making these wild beasts understand that it isn't just them that has to survive out here. This jungle you stomp around in is at stake. Your domain in which you shit talk is at stake. Pull the foliage out of your face and take a look around. There is no room for single-minded actions. We either work together or we will watch this jungle burn to the ground....together.
We are in a concrete jungle. This jungle has it's predators and prey (self-righteous, self-absorbed attention whores and scenesters.) While survival is key no matter what, these animals have forgotten the word 'respect'. This generation of jaguars, alligators, monkeys, guerrillas, and snakes has failed in evolving into something great (the true sign of a successful existence). These animals, who's sole concern is to take, know only that: desire supersedes all else. WRONG.
The truly frustrating people is making these wild beasts understand that it isn't just them that has to survive out here. This jungle you stomp around in is at stake. Your domain in which you shit talk is at stake. Pull the foliage out of your face and take a look around. There is no room for single-minded actions. We either work together or we will watch this jungle burn to the ground....together.
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